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| Auteur : | nato.308 [ Sam Mars 17, 2012 6:10 am ] |
| Sujet du message : | Degrés de mortalité ? wendy est désespéré |
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... ide-stats/ Lorne Gunter: Gun control advocates play disingenuous game with suicide stats I was once a member of the writing competency committee at the University of Alberta. In the early 1980s, professors had become so dismayed at the inability of incoming freshmen to put together coherent sentences that each new admitee was made to write a brief essay that was analysed for writing skill. Students who did poorly were assigned to remedial writing classes. One of the committee’s duties was to read a representative sampling of each year’s essays. Even nearly 30 years later, one example still stands out for me, not for its poor construction but for its incoherent logic: “Gun control is necessary now more than in previous centuries because being killed with a bullet is more fatal than being killed by a sword.” There are degrees of dead? I never knew. Dead, deader and deadest. I was reminded of this Thursday when reading the comments of Wendy Cukier, president of the Coalition for Gun Control. The Tories’ bill to end the federal gun registry is taking its last few steps through the Senate and Ms. Cukier and others are making one final effort to prevent its passage. “In 1995, there were 1,125 firearms deaths in Canada, in 2008 it was 754, so that’s almost 400 fewer deaths per year,” Ms. Cukier told reporters. Most of the drop, she explained, was a result of fewer firearms accidents and, especially, suicides. “Experts say legislation has had a profound impact on suicides with firearms,” she contended. But this only matters if you care how people commit suicide, not whether they kill themselves. There are roughly the same number of suicides committed in Canada each year. Annually between 3,500 and 3,800 Canadians decide to end their own lives, and the number has been remarkably consistent for nearly a quarter of a century. The registry may have had some impact – or not – on reducing the number of firearms suicides (even Ms. Cukier admits she cannot tell with certainty whether the reduction is the result of the long-gun registry or the requirement of all firearms owners to get a license or some other factor). But what it has not had is any impact at all on the overall number of suicides. People intent on killing themselves may not be using guns to do so as often as they did before the registry opened in 1998, but they are still killing themselves. They are simply using other methods more now. For instance, during the time firearms suicides have declined, suicides by hanging have gone up nearly 75%. Instead of using guns, troubled Canadians have turned to ropes (and pills and poisons and gas, etc.) We already know the registry has done nothing to reduce murder and other violent crime, so its defenders have resorted to insisting it has saved lives in other ways. But this is delusional or even dishonest. Like the freshman back in 1982 who thought that somehow being dispatched by a bullet was even worse than being run through with a sword, Ms. Cukier’s contention that the registry is worth keeping around because it has prevented firearms suicides (but not overall suicides) is illogical and, quite frankly, vaguely ghoulish. In effect, she is saying it was worth spending $2 billion or $3 billion of taxpayers’ money (not to mention branding law-abiding gun owners as criminals) just so 400 or so disturbed Canadians each year could be persuaded to end their lives with a noose rather than a shotgun. National Post Follow Lorne on Twitter @lornegunter |
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| Auteur : | Settermen [ Sam Mars 17, 2012 7:43 am ] |
| Sujet du message : | Re: Degrés de mortalité ? wendy est désespéré |
Nato pour ceux qui ne lisent pas l'anglais un petit résumé serait le bienvenu surtout si cet article est bon ou instructif Guy |
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| Auteur : | Fred Hartog [ Sam Mars 17, 2012 8:37 am ] |
| Sujet du message : | Re: Degrés de mortalité ? wendy est désespéré |
Ça ressemble à Brigitte Bardot et la chasse au phoques, elle est en train de saborder elle-même sa cause. |
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| Auteur : | ydu [ Sam Mars 17, 2012 8:45 am ] |
| Sujet du message : | Re: Degrés de mortalité ? wendy est désespéré |
Pas fort comme commentaires. Une autre preuve que des stats, ca veut pas dire grand chose. |
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| Auteur : | nato.308 [ Sam Mars 17, 2012 8:53 am ] |
| Sujet du message : | Re: Degrés de mortalité ? wendy est désespéré |
Nato pour ceux qui ne lisent pas l'anglais un petit résumé serait le bienvenu surtout si cet article est bon ou instructif Guy --------------------------------------------------------------- Et bien en gros l'auteur de cet article en écoutant wendy qui tente désespérément de sauver le registre,, évoque une "logique" plutot tordu en se rapellant qu'il y as longtemps il avait entendu que " le controle des armes a feu est nécéssaire aujourd'hui plus qu'avant car mourir d'un coup de feu est plus mortel que de mourir d'un coup de sabre"... ce qui qui impliquerais qu'il y aurais différents degrés de mortalité,, mort ,,, plus mort ,,, et encore plus mort... Elle affirme aussi que le registre joue un role important dans le taux de baisse de suicide par arme a feu,,et sauverais donc des vies,, en oubliant de mentionner que cette "baisse" des suicides est en réalité "artificielle " car le taux de suicides par pendaison ou autre moyen est a la hausse...et qu,en réalité le taux de suicide est demeuré sensiblement le meme depuis ces 25 dernieres années qu'i y ai un registre ou non...en suivant la meme "logique" il en conclut que pour wendy,, mourir au bout d'une corde est moin grave que de mourir d'une balle,,,et que pour cette raison le registre dois etre conserver. |
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| Auteur : | Settermen [ Sam Mars 17, 2012 9:52 am ] |
| Sujet du message : | Re: Degrés de mortalité ? wendy est désespéré |
Merci Ok un autre vision mais la mort=la mort sa ne change rien. Guy |
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| Auteur : | garfield [ Sam Mars 17, 2012 11:39 am ] |
| Sujet du message : | Re: Degrés de mortalité ? wendy est désespéré |
pour @settermen si traduire de l'anglais a français, juste une idée http://translate.google.com/ c'est pas parfait, mais c'est un bon début pour avoir une bonne idée d'un texte juste une idée bye |
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